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Old 04/12/2016, 02:37 PM   #26
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That's not what flood insurance covers.
Not quite listed as "flood insurance" per se, but my home insurance would cover the house in the event that my tank should burst.

They won't cover the livestock but the tank and the surrounding house components (floor, walls, furnishings, etc) are covered. Good news for me, 280gallons on the floor = bad haha.


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Old 04/12/2016, 02:49 PM   #27
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Yeah, but that's not flood insurance. That's water damage caused by a covered loss on the standard HO3 homeowners program.

Flood insurance is a separate policy and covers damage due to rising tidal waters, mudslides and the inundation of property by rain water if it affects 2 or more neighbors. A lot of other mumbo jumbo as well but that is the basic idea of it.


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Old 04/12/2016, 03:20 PM   #28
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I just don't understand why the OP would stack 2x4s in the method shown... rather than building a sturdy frame the way most people would have done. Is there a reason for this? Besides being way less sturdy, it is also a massive waste of wood... could have done a much better job with less.


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Old 04/12/2016, 03:45 PM   #29
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Assuming the 4000 screws hold up, how will you seat the glass\acrylic? Are you going to silicon it right onto the OSB? It does not appear that you created any type of channel to seat it in. Maybe this part is not built yet...


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Old 04/12/2016, 04:00 PM   #30
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lol I enjoy the "no" crowd. Its the reason i build things that "cant" be done!


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Old 04/12/2016, 04:02 PM   #31
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Scraps and a lot free time would be my guess.
I never mean to knock anyones work, but I also hate to see someone put so much effort into something that looks like inevitable failure both for OP or any animals involved.
I'm not sure any amount of fiberglass and resin will be enough to secure it.
I'd hate to hear someone yell jinga!


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Old 04/12/2016, 04:06 PM   #32
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I haven't built the windows yet but yes i will be using steel channel mounted to every 2 x 4 which will add additional support to the overall structure. Stacked 2 x 4s add a web of support while vertical 2 x 4s can individually fail. It is much sturdier, contrary to what you may believe!


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Old 04/12/2016, 04:09 PM   #33
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for reference here is where i initially got the idea of using stacked lumber..

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/fo...y-pond.394202/


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Old 04/12/2016, 05:09 PM   #34
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for reference here is where i initially got the idea of using stacked lumber..

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/fo...y-pond.394202/
That tank is only holding 30 inches of water. It really does not have much in common with your build.


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Old 04/12/2016, 05:31 PM   #35
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You could have 300 gallons 16 inches high or 30 gallons 16 inches high no real difference in pressure. But 30 gallons 60 inches high is a totally different story.

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Old 04/12/2016, 06:40 PM   #36
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This is the longest April fools joke I have ever seen...


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Old 04/12/2016, 07:32 PM   #37
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Lol when it's filled I'll claim April fools!


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Old 04/12/2016, 08:19 PM   #38
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I really do hope you prove us all wrong for all your efforts, but please get video of filling it up!
If it was a joke someone put a lot of effort into it.


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Old 04/12/2016, 09:15 PM   #39
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Lol I will! I'll be curious myself!


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Old 04/12/2016, 10:27 PM   #40
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Interesting. Conservatively estimating one of the long walls as 8' long and 6' high, there will be roughly 5 tons of force exerted outward. The OP used what appears to be SPF lumber which is quite weak and flexes significantly under force. It also has the property of holding screws poorly because of the weak ray structure (i.e., it splits well).

Since fiberglass and epoxy resin don't flex well under pressure, I'm afraid that the failure mode will be less than spectacular - perhaps a rather large leak as the slow filling process nears the top. But there's a small chance of something much more exciting along the lines of "hey y'all, watch this!" - a high pressure separation of the acrylic viewing window from the tank walls and frame as the walls flex under the high pressure.

"Here, hold my beer" indeed.


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Old 04/13/2016, 12:52 AM   #41
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That's not what flood insurance covers.

with how close I live to the ocean Id get rid of that " tank" and how else is the adjuster going to explain that much saltwater damage????????


but yes I know its not flood insurance which would cover this disaster it was a joke.......kind of


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Old 04/13/2016, 05:23 AM   #42
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Good luck, hope you have a big wet vac and a lot of towels.


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Old 04/13/2016, 07:41 AM   #43
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with how close I live to the ocean Id get rid of that " tank" and how else is the adjuster going to explain that much saltwater damage????????
Insurance investigators are incredibly savvy with regards to these types of situations. I mean, you'll have all sorts of salt water damage to the inside of the house, but miraculously the outside of the house will show nothing, no dead grass or gardens, no salt damage the siding of the house, no dirt runoff from the flood etc.

If the fraud level is large enough they won't initially tell you they are denying the claim. They will start to gather evidence of the fraud. Like the square on the floor where there used to be a tank. Evidence of a large aquarium will be all over your house, from RO units, salt buckets, testing equipment etc etc. Then they'll subpoena the electric company for your historical usage and compare it with your new usage and see that there was a major drop in usage right at the time of the loss. They will also get your credit card history and banking info and see you buying all this stuff that isn't there.

Then they'll send you a letter asking you to verify all your claims, sign it and mail it back. Once you do that you have risen to the level of mail fraud. So they take the Insurance Fraud and combine it with the Mail Fraud and take you to court with a possible 10-25 year sentence and some large fines.


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Old 04/13/2016, 10:51 AM   #44
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hopefully you have good flood insurance
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Old 04/13/2016, 12:19 PM   #45
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Or Johnike...


In all seriousness though, dude those screws are NOT going to support the weight. Screws are to hold things together, not support any weight. I can use my driver and sheer the head off a screw if I push it just right. If you are relying on screws to holdl in 1600 gallons of water, you are, well....screwed.

I see you did calculations, can you provide them, just to see? As I write this, not sure what the pressure would be on the bottom there, but with how tall it is, the bottom part of this is going to be seeing some extreme pressures.


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Old 04/13/2016, 12:57 PM   #46
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For every 2.4 feet of height, the pressure will increase about 1 psi. So a 10' high tank will be about 4.25 psig at the bottom.


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Old 04/13/2016, 01:09 PM   #47
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So if that tank is a little over 7ft high, and it looks to be about 8ft long and 6ft wide, he's looking at 1,000 lbs of outward pressure on just the bottom inch of the tank? If that is the case the bottom foot of the tank would have an outward pressure of 12,000lbs?

That seems to add up really fast? Im not a math guy.


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Assuming this tank is 8' x 6' x 6' High (I counted the 2x4's and subtracted a few inches for airspace), the pressure above atmospheric pressure at the bottom is 2.9 psi. So over the bottom inch of the entire tank there is a force of 1670 lbs. Because the pressure exerted decreases as there is less water weight, each subsequent inch would have less force exerted but it does quickly add up.


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Old 04/13/2016, 03:55 PM   #49
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Good luck. I don't want to say you'll need it, but I hope this works out. I'm interested in seeing any update pics there might be.

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Old 04/13/2016, 05:00 PM   #50
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Wow! In the long term, the only thing coming out of this is water & unhappy fish!

Perhaps there are hidden structural members, like vertical threaded rods every 12 inches, keeping the layers in compression??

But, power to ya! It is fun to do what others say couldn't be done ..... didn't slow down Tesla or Edison!! I want to see this tank finished!


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