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Old 11/04/2018, 06:09 AM   #1
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Royal gramma houding and laying on the side

I bought a royal gramma approximately one month ago, it was one of the most active fish in the tank and had no problem with other inhabitants of the tank as far as i could notice. Over the last few days i noticed him hiding more and more and today i saw him laying sidewise in his hiding place and slightly gasping. What could it be? Unfortunately i cannot set up a quarantine, what do you suggest?

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Old 11/04/2018, 07:03 AM   #2
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That of course ( the side laying and gasping) would not be normal behavior.
Since no other fish is acting the same (yet) I would rule out water parameter and rule in diease of some type.

Unfortunately without the QT, it is difficult to help him ( or the others ) if this is the case.

A QT is nothing more than a bucket, the water, a small heater and a sponge filter.

If the fish is in fact sick, by not removing him, others may fall as well.

Consider separating is the only good advice I can give.


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Old 11/04/2018, 08:34 PM   #3
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I second that and would consider treating the other fish as well . My issue with a bucket although cheap and small is not being able to assess the fish on daily basis unless itís a clear container . I would need to view from the side and not top down. Would you not consider a 10 gallon tank ? You risk losing all the fish? I would say that a parasite was introduced along with the fish. Did u quarantine or treat before adding him to the tank ?


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Old 11/05/2018, 01:30 AM   #4
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But doesnt the QT have to cycle as well? I will try to go to the shop today and get one if that is the case. What should i do once it is in there, Just wait?
I tested the water yesterday aniway, nothing out of control there.

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Old 11/05/2018, 12:58 PM   #5
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Usually the Hospital tank is bare bones style with a bit of pvc for hiding spots and with air stone and heater. . It does not have charcoal that may adsorb the medications. Some medications knock out a bacterial filter. Copper and antibiotics will kill denitrifying bacteria . So a cycled filter is useless with these meds . So when in this situation you must test for ammonia toxicity daily and be ready to change water or change tanks . I have found that changing /rotating to a new tank helps to minimize ammonia toxicity. By the third day Ammonia has risen and definitely toxic, thus needing either a change Or an ammonia binder . .


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Old 11/05/2018, 02:01 PM   #6
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No cycle in QT
Just make 10% water changes and vacuum up left over food will
Keep ammonia in check


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Old 11/05/2018, 04:16 PM   #7
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Keep prime on hand as well Incase ammonia does spike.


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Old 11/05/2018, 05:15 PM   #8
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Ok,im setting it up now, my rodi system is quite slow. My gramma is getting worse unfortunately.

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Old 11/05/2018, 06:23 PM   #9
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If you going hypo because you know the problem is Ick, the reduction in salinity to 1.009 with make it easier for your RG to breath.

If your going copper, reduce salinity to 1.019, again this will reduce the labored breathing.

Try to feed a high protein friozen Mysis, good feeding is as important as the treatment itself
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I donít want to sound pessimistic but he may not make it but be ready for the other ones may come down with what he had .


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Old 11/07/2018, 04:03 PM   #11
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In fact it died, is there a way to know (or at least to have a clue) what could have happened, so i can maybe prepare for a treatment?
Externally it looked fine to me, not even bloated. It just slowly died.

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In fact it died, is there a way to know (or at least to have a clue) what could have happened, so i can maybe prepare for a treatment?
Externally it looked fine to me, not even bloated. It just slowly died.

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Ok, nevermind. I found a post with useful info.

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